Monday, February 01, 2010

Is the Ender's Game Move Dead?

I keep getting asked this question, so I figured I should put up a post about it.

Is the Ender's Game Movie dead? Well, not completely. It currently is not in pre-production at any studio. There isn't a director attached. So, don't go lining up for tickets any time soon. It's going to be years before its in theaters.

However, Orson Scott Card is still working on the script and hasn't given up wanting Ender on the big screen.

On his blog at Hatrack, OSC said in February of 2009:


I'm finishing up the screenplay for the Ender's Game movie.


The Ender's Game comics continue to be published by Marvel, and the success of these could be key to the movie eventually being made. The problem is that a movie with the number of special effects that Ender's Game would need would make it expensive. And movie studios won't give out that amount of money without knowing that the finished product is going to be profitable. Seeing the movie visually is important, especially since so much of the book is dependent on what Ender is thinking and feeling.

In 2008, OSC said in an interview to Marvel.com, "I'm hoping Marvel will show [Hollywood] how it's done, because you guys know how to put the story down in a visual way so that it comes to life."

The Ender's Game comic is being written by Marvel Animation producer & writer Christopher Yost.

Many fans have been wanting an animated Ender's Game film, rather than live action. Perhaps this be something Marvel Animation might be interested in?

As a sidenote, Disney acquired Marvel last year, but no word yet on how this could impact Ender's Game. OSC has been closely associated with Marvel Comics, and other than the Ender's Game and Alvin Makercomics, he has written Ultimate Iron Man.

So, in short, the movie isn't quite dead. It's just a matter of getting a studio interested in making it again. The comics will wrap up this spring, and hopefully that will attract some interest.

71 Comments:

At 3:36 PM, Blogger Alex said...

I relly really Liek it

Alex

 
At 1:24 PM, Blogger Cheryl said...

Seems like it might do better as a 4- or 6-hour miniseries than a 2-hour movie. What does anyone else think?

 
At 7:00 PM, Blogger REN said...

I worry that the movie creators may try to short-cut the real story telling and just try to make an action movie for kids. Children can handle a bigger and much more nuanced and interesting movie experience. If the "Harry Potter" book and movie experience has taught us anything, it is that you can go on, and on, and on, with even a semi-good story... and Ender's Game is not just semi-good, it is not even just good, it is GREAT... and deserves to be an EPIC movie. Anything less than a very good director, a top notch CGI company, and two or more hours, you will potentially have the makings of a real disappointment.

 
At 7:32 AM, Blogger alex said...

Hi agree with that

 
At 2:52 PM, Blogger Elise McMullen said...

I agree! I really think that Ender's Game should be made as real and raw as the book with all the societal commentary. From what I've heard in the industry, people are a bit uncomfortable with the "children as warriors" kind of thing and how this gets too scary for kids and limits audiences---blah blah blah---industry crap. I think if we can watch a movie version of Lord of the Flies, we should be able to watch this.

 
At 2:52 PM, Blogger Elise McMullen said...

I agree! I really think that Ender's Game should be made as real and raw as the book with all the societal commentary. From what I've heard in the industry, people are a bit uncomfortable with the "children as warriors" kind of thing and how this gets too scary for kids and limits audiences---blah blah blah---industry crap. I think if we can watch a movie version of Lord of the Flies, we should be able to watch this.

 
At 5:20 AM, Blogger Alex said...

I agree when will Enders game come to theather

 
At 11:27 PM, Blogger Marcos just marcos said...

I agree... However... I can direct it... I wish there were a way to put the pictures in my head into a movie... It might be an awesome movie... Lol...

 
At 5:20 AM, Blogger alex said...

I agree with that but I wonder why it wold takre so long to make

Should there be any love sceans in this film or not

 
At 9:18 AM, Blogger REN said...

Love scenes? No, please, no romantic love scenes! OSC was absolutely correct to point out that award winning movies like E.T. have been about children without romantic love interests or containing any kind of romantic love scenes. Yes, E.T. was endearing and lovable, but that is not the same thing. The motivations in Ender's Game are not about "love interests," but about survival, familial ties, and friendship. If the studio tries to slip in tensions like Petra looking longingly at Ender (I am making this up, btw) or suggest Ender is somehow wanted by 9 out 10 girls at the Battle School, it will only detract from the movie. Show Ender struggling to get balance, peace, to just keep his head above water as he also just does what he does best, WIN (beat the game)... and you will capture almost all the motivation you need to make this work!! This is what I want to see even as I am struggling as a middle-aged adult trying to graduate from grad school while raising a family... I want to see Ender struggle, and I want to see him persevere, to beat the game and WIN!!! Ender's Game is our game. This is why Americans love movies with "happy" endings.

 
At 8:09 AM, Blogger The_last_hope said...

I'm in current production of a Video book demo for Enders Shadow. I plan to put up the first clip on you Tube soon. I would love to hear from any one interest in the project.

 
At 5:37 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

can you put in a life or death scean and a person giving someone cpr in the fiml

 
At 4:41 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

Hi I was just wondering weather we could put in some CPR in the film is that possible and send me some pictures of what the charters should look like

thanks

 
At 10:11 AM, Blogger forevermusic64 said...

Im really excited to see how this movie turns out (if it turns out). Ive read through other's comments here and I agree that there should definately NOT be any love scenes or love interests, as OSC has said in his commentary at the end of the audio book for, I believe, Ender's Shadow. That would send the story in a completely different direction than the book had gone. Someone was wondering if there could be a scene where someone gives CPR? Why would anyone need CPR in the middle of outer space? And how would that fit into ANY of the events that took place in the book?
Also, everyone seems to be concentrating on only the Battle School part of Ender's Game. We also have to remember to add in Peter and Valentine with just the right amount of emotion. If there are any follow-up movies (Ender in Exile, Speaker, Xenocide, etc.) than Val will be a very big part and we would regret not having her in the first movie. Peter would also be a huge part in the shadow half of the series, and besides that he had a huge impact on Ender's life, Battle School and afterward.
Alright, im starting to think too far ahead now. But Id really love to see my favorite book be turned into a truely epic movie. Good luck to OSC and anyone else working on it right now!

 
At 12:33 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I dis agree about the fact that there should be a cpr scene in the film because what if someone needed air how will they be able to live again so Yes there should be a Cpr scene in the film

My name is Alexander Campurciani

 
At 11:00 AM, Blogger forevermusic64 said...

But how would CPR fit into any of the events that took place in Ender's Game? I think a CPR scene would only take time away from important events that actually DID happen in the book. It would be completely pointless to add it in.

 
At 7:45 AM, Blogger REN said...

Please ignore the posts which clearly have nothing to do with the Ender's Game.

 
At 10:04 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I dont think that it would be point less I think that its a good Idea to put it in

Alex

 
At 1:37 PM, Blogger Elizabeth E Berger said...

Just as a side note, I think it should definitely NOT be animated. And Ender's Game is so great a book, it deserves only the best of everything! And everyone with the whole CPR thing cracked me up...you all are crazy!

 
At 1:37 PM, Blogger Elizabeth E Berger said...

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At 5:13 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I mean when they make a film they should add a CPR content in there and there should be some romance to this film And i''l explain it all later

 
At 9:47 AM, Blogger REN said...

acampurciani,

I highly recommend you read McKee's book "Story," Mamet's "On Directing Film," and/or Syd Field's "Screenplay," if you have not yet, and then, if you still seem to think a CPR or Romance scene are needed... let us know WHY, but you had better have an OUTSTANDING reason for it! Otherwise, your wanting a Romance or a CPR scene in Ender's Game is a bit like wanting to add a skydiving or a boxing scene to Citizen Kane. Why would you do something like that?!

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger forevermusic64 said...

I agree with REN. A CPR scene is completely unneeded and should not be added into the movie. If they completely ruin Ender's Game with romances, adding more girls into Battle School, or a ton of drama, I wont even bother to go see it.

 
At 5:26 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I don't know why you guys wont except this as a good opportunity please except it please jut for once add the CPR and a little romance I mean people might actually like it they might not who knows.

 
At 1:57 PM, Blogger forevermusic64 said...

I understand that some poeple might enjoy a little romance in this movie, but this was not a "romantic" book. If they want to see a romantic movie they should go see Twilight. I dont want Ender's Game to become some weird remake of a Twilight movie.

 
At 4:25 PM, Blogger embee said...

A commenter over on tor.com remarked that after seeing Avatar 3D, that technology has finally caught up: the Battleschool battle scenes could really be wonderful in 3D. I couldn't agree more!

Also, Ender's story is an adult one. Please no cuteness. THat would be the problem with animation I think - it's got cute in its DNA.

 
At 4:34 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

Trust me it wont be I know that for a fact

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger REN said...

Seven posts and not a single good explanation! Please, stop repeating these CPR and romance scene comments without giving any good reasons why (in terms of good story telling).

 
At 4:01 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I will talk about the romance in the fil but not the CPR is this o.k with you if not let me know

Thanks

Alexander C

 
At 2:33 PM, Blogger REN said...

Okay with us? You have posted more than anybody on this thread. I wasn't counting the "alex" posts, only the "acampurciani" posts, when I counted to eight (the actual count is 12 posts now). Who am I to tell you what you can and cannot say? You can talk about romance, or CPR, if you want. This is not my thread and I cannot stop you, but if you want to be taken seriously (at least by me), on either point, you need to explain yourself and defend your positions.

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

Tell me how would I be able to do that please I need to know otherwise I'll be talking about it for a long time.


Can I have you number please

E-mail me

 
At 3:37 PM, Blogger REN said...

You didn't even try. Read the books I mentioned. I am finished with this conversation.

 
At 3:49 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

Why book would you like me to read please tell me I need to know

 
At 6:47 PM, Blogger Scrooge said...

I love this book, and read it multiple times. However, I'm not really looking forward to the movie. Don't forget that these kids are not even teenagers yet. To have a movie carried by such young kids having to act all mature and intelligent is just a failure waiting to happen. Child nudity, guess they can't do that either. And if it's a kids movie, forget about the violence too. What is left? Nothing to get excited about, just read the book. Some books just really don't need a movie or a broadway musical.

 
At 4:11 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

gree some book are based on plays like cats for instance but I cant see them make a musical of Enders game nope but if they did great

Thanks
E-mail me

 
At 6:48 AM, Blogger Traci said...

skip real life action film. It should definitely be an Anime! It's the only way to include all the socio-political and battle school scenes to their full potential.

 
At 7:46 AM, Blogger REN said...

You can do both an Anime and a Live-action. Start with the Anime, work out the tricky stuff in the story writing with a more open platform, then try the Live-action later, if it still seems doable.

 
At 11:24 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

What do u mean by this

 
At 2:08 PM, Blogger Traci said...

do you mean rotoscoping?

 
At 4:18 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

Yes what do u mean by rotscoping ?
E-mail me

 
At 6:17 AM, Blogger Traci said...

I agree that this is not a kids movie. Which does make it hard when making a live action movie. That is why anime is the only way to go. Child nudity (with no frontal animation) could work. Neon Genesis Evangelion, Akira, and Full Metal Panic are good examples to follow when making an Ender's Game anime.

I agree too that Avatar does demonstrate the needed technology if live action is chosen.

There's a lot of great ideas and criticism's on this discussion board. I hope someone important is reading.

 
At 11:10 AM, Blogger REN said...

Traci,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on Anime, I think they are well worth considering. I am not really a fan of rotoscoping and have disliked the movies made with it so far; not even the old "Fire and Ice," by Frazetta and Bakshi, even though I still love looking at it from time to time for the art of it.

Anime is fine, as you suggested, in the spirit of Ghost in the Shell, Akira, or anything by Studio Ghibli/Miyazaki. I agree with you on the Anime but one type of movie does not preclude the other and I think an Anime can stand on its own... AND could lead to a better live action (not in place or instead of it).

About somebody reading this, I believe Orson Scott Card is aware of most of this already. I am, however, likely to attend a writing workshop by him in the next year or two (with a story of my own, completely unrelated to all of this) and I will surely ask him about the progress of Ender's Game. If I can, and it makes sense to, I will relate some of these ideas.

As a side note, just this last year I did an analysis of OSC's Ultimate Iron Man comic book series and have discussed the Ender's Game/Ender's Shadow comic book adaptations with my classmates. Like you and many in this discussion, I am hoping for the best possible adaptation of Ender's Game ~ I have loved this book (and its immediate sequel) for nearly 20 years now!

~REN

 
At 3:10 PM, Blogger REN said...

"Child nudity (with no frontal animation) could work."

Why would you need ANY nudity at all? My only guess would be because of the bathroom fight scene at the Battle School.

The Petra "skin" scene can be dropped all together, with her shown to be an exception to the rules made another way. The Dragon Army running to the battle room scene can be in undergarments... and, is there another?

Oh yeah, floating free in the battle room/practice room. Again, in undergarments.

Anyway, the important scene is the fight w/ Bonzo...

The non-nudity fight fix is simple, skip the soap-slippery point and just focus on being hard to grab when wet... as we know Ender isn't going to try to physically dominate Bonzo, it isn't an issue whether or not he is slippery as well.

Therefor, you have Ender in a pair of futuristic, spandex boxer-brief type underwear post shower... and he steps back into the showers, turns on the hot water and sweats... walla! Slippery Ender, no nudity.

Anime or no anime, holding to a text literally can be a hindrance without reward. In a book, it doesn't really matter because it isn't automatically, visually erotic or problematic, but it will be in a visual format. What is important are the main themes and principles set out by the original story.

Just my thoughts,

~REN

 
At 3:32 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I agree 100% wit hthat but I wonder if there could be a little romance in this film what do u think

 
At 3:47 PM, Blogger Traci said...

Ren--great point on the nudity. thank you.

 
At 4:13 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I agree put not too much

 
At 8:29 PM, Blogger Dirk & Gloria said...

Be very careful uncle Orson.
Read the Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams and then watch the movie.

 
At 12:51 AM, Blogger 2cjenn said...

Ren - totally agree re the lack of necessity for actual nudity scenes.
Also, Studio Ghibli or Miyazaki or w/e could work, but I really don't think anime would be the best way to go for this film. Dunno, but I would be leaning towards live action, although I do appreciate the problem of child actors =/ But yeah I guess both could be feasible.
Anyway, Ender's Game is AWESOME and I really hope a film is made of it, I absolutely love the series and for a film to be made would be brilliant.

 
At 12:13 AM, Blogger bulldurham72 said...

Well to be honest I'm not much of a book person but before leavin to the military I got bored a lot so my best friend turned me on to enders game and I hate books I dnt like reading but I started and at first it was ok but then the pics started actually jumping into my head and I loved the book which is why I say start of with some mini series so there is no real commitment to certain producers and so it doesn't get destroyed right from the get go then start talkin bout a good movie

 
At 3:01 PM, Blogger REN said...

Marvel Comics has already done a run of Ender's Game (w/ Ender's Shadow worked into the mix) and I suspect Ender's Game *will* be made as a movie before any mini series or TV shows are attempted. We had an exchange earlier about the possibility of having an Ender's Game anime, and I do not think that would hurt the live-action movie chances, but again I suspect it won't happen.

 
At 12:52 PM, Blogger Andrew Firestone said...

There are ways around showing nudity. Many movies contain implied nudity. You don't have to see someone's junk to know they are naked. I do feel that it is important to understand how Petra is different in that given scene. OSC is very meticulous in why he puts certain things in his books. If it could have been done a different way and still have the same, or better, effect he would have done it a different way.

 
At 7:00 AM, Blogger the Alien Anthropologist said...

WOLVERINE DIRECTOR TO START ENDER'S GAME
Gavin Hood (X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE) is back at the helm Odd Lot Ent.'s
adaptation of Orson Scott Card's award-winning novel ENDER'S GAME,
reports the Los Angeles Times. Hood recently completed a revamp of the
script. The story follows the adventures of Andrew Wiggin, a gifted
child soldier in a human army fighting the attacking aliens known as the
Formics. Wolfgang Petersen had previously been circling the project.

 
At 1:50 PM, Blogger Kendy said...

Whoa cool!! I didn't know that Enders Game was being made into a movie! Ooh I'm excited now, i love that book! We have to make a dvd cover for it in English but it's quite hard cause it's so futuristic!

 
At 6:59 PM, Blogger Rose said...

Rosemary Mulve should play Petra
BTW thats not me so don't say that it is.

 
At 1:54 PM, Blogger Hueman said...

Im in. I would like to audition for the role of hyram graff or mazer rackham.

My son is about the right age to play ender and has the capacity to do so as well.

If this becomes a possibility or there are any calls please contact me via email at hueman.i.t@gmail.com

 
At 7:45 AM, Blogger Dudebrodogman said...

Ender's Game should be animated to bring all of it to life and avoid any cheesiness. Pixar should nut-up and do it right, make it at least PG-13. This will never happen, but would be cool as hell.

 
At 11:38 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I agree but it would be better in 3-D What do you thing along with special effects

 
At 10:42 PM, Blogger REN said...

Ugh! Please. No 3-D and no Computer Animated version. Just do the dang thing in live action and do it well. Yes, an animation could be done and still leave room for the live action remake later... but why, if you have the interest and resources to do it in live action now? If they can get a comic book movie like Batman right (as Christopher Nolan has, IMHO), then they can do Ender's Game.

 
At 11:47 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

ok but I still think that they should do it both ways in 3D and in 2 D

What do you think

 
At 7:45 PM, Blogger REN said...

If Pixar did it, I would be absolutely fine with that! It's not likely to be even a remote possiblity though. And, if they made the 3D with a 2D version in mind, it would probably turn out better anyway. Good points.

 
At 11:51 AM, Blogger acampurciani said...

thanks for hering my idea if someone wants to give me some more ideas on enders game that would be great

 
At 9:30 PM, Blogger DaveCM said...

The book was horrible and absurd. I hope they don't make it into a move. Would be a give waste of money.

 
At 2:18 PM, Blogger doug said...

Well this is good new for all u Enders Game fans it turns out Roberto Orci and his pal Alex Kurtzman are now involved, as Producers, in the movie adaptation of Ender’s Game, the cult science-fiction novel by Orson Scott Card...Warner Bros has picked up the project and filming will start in late January 2012

 
At 9:54 AM, Blogger Maurin Family said...

I think that OSC should just step out of the way and let someone make a movie out of his brilliant novel. Maybe they won't get it exactly right but I would rather a movie got made before we all die of old age waiting for the perfect opportunity. Does the perfect opportunity ever come by?
OSC! If you can't get the movie made in ten years of trying let someone else have a shot at it. Once everyone loves the crappy version then it will be remade blockbuster style!

 
At 11:12 AM, Blogger REN said...

"Maybe they won't get it exactly right but I would rather a movie got made..."

I could hardly disagree more. From memory, as I don't have the time to look it up, from the purchase of movie rights to the screen it took the Princess Bride over 10 years to get made. Looking back, would you have sacrificed anything about that movie just so it would have gotten made? I wouldn't. The author of the original novel was also the screenplay writer. Think about it. Some things are worth it. And more, about this idea that they will just remake the crappy version... I am not counting on Hollywood to correct the mistake they made with Heinlein's Starship Troopers and, in fact, they doubled down and made a really bad sequel. Do you really think Hollywood will revisit that story any time soon? Why would I want to wait, um, 20 or more years from the original story rights purchase for an accurate "remake" of the original Starship Troopers when just a few more years could have made all the difference in the first place?! As they (should) say, don't count your (remake) flicks before they hatch!

 
At 12:12 AM, Blogger Guru said...

New info movie may come back?

http://screenrant.com/enders-game-movie-alex-kurtzman-roberto-orci-sandy-98748/

 
At 12:13 AM, Blogger Guru said...

And more here:

http://trekweb.com/articles/2011/02/11/Roberto-Orci-Talks-Upcoming-Enders-Game-Movie-Adaptation.shtml

 
At 7:25 AM, Blogger Anna said...

I just discovered the Ender's Game book series (didn't even know there WERE comics till I saw this post!)and have become completely obsessed with it.

This is not a movie to be scrapped! Ender's game (and the books that follow it) are the best books I've read in a LONG time.

Give this movie the attention it deserves!

 
At 3:56 PM, Blogger Larry said...

Dillon Stevens should play Ender, and David Fincher should Direct.

Dillon Stevens http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dillon-Stevens/178979452146354

David Fincher http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000399/

 
At 4:41 PM, Blogger McKane Davis said...

There is an official request for this Movie to get made at AskForIt.com
The company will help advocate on our behalf and show how much demand there is to the movie studios.
http://www.askforit.com/1641/Enders-Game-to-be-made-into-a-movie.html?sh_id=3&sh_m=at

 
At 6:00 PM, Blogger acampurciani said...

I would like to be some romance and kissing in this film

 

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